I was wondering when non - renewable energy runs out what affect will it have on society?
I was wondering when non - renewable energy runs out what affect will it have on society?
We'll have to use renewable energy :)!!!
Written in September 2009
http://oilcrash.com/articles/arnett05.htm
Written in September 2009
Honestly no idea
Written in September 2009
NZ is ~70% renewable energy today (60% hydro, 10% geothermal and wind). We're working hard to make it 100% (Pure:), but its a hard road. We have great renewable resources in our country but people don't like them near them. We do have lots and lots of domestic coal though... but I can't see us turning into Australia (90%+ brown coal fired thermal electricity generation).
Written in October 2009
Unfortunately hydro is not a 'renewable' energy source, as you have to burn a lot of carbon to manufacture concrete, dams silt up and become useless, the turbines etc use a massive amount of energy mainly oil based ... look into the mineral extraction for such things as copper and silver (used in electric contacts etc) there is a barrel of oil in every computer ... the grid is very much reliant on computers now. Turbines have to be imported once you gather all the resources to make one ... again oil based transport. ............... Then with regard to electricity the one big question is ... What are you going to do with it once you have made it? Because nearly every appliance is built using ... you guessed it oil,gas or coal. Basically no form of electricity is renewable. You can burn wood to keep warm (if you have some) and that is about it ... oh and maybe a water wheel to drive a flower mill ? ... ops forgot ...over 90% of our wheat is grown, harvested, fertilized, then transported using oil, gas, and maybe coal if this plant goes ahead down south.
The simple act of living on this planet,,,,, when times by 1-2 billion people living like we do and the other 4+ billion we walk over every day to maintain our lifestyles (i.e the tin miners) ,,,, is simply killing our environment, even if we all walked everywhere that is still 13 billion shoes ... again mostly oil based.
You all have to look deeply into Energy Invested Over Energy Returned most so called 'renewable energy' projects have negative returns ... hydrogen being one glaring example http://oilcrash.com/articles/h_scam.htm
Bio fuels another http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glY6gR026hQ
Good luck, we all need it
Written in October 2009
Sorry Robert A, can you point me in the direction of a NZ dam that has 'silted up'? So basically lets go back to the stone age and throw our hands up beause even trying is useless? I appreciate your opinion, but I'm not going to tell my daughter in 20 years time that dad thought it was all going to end anyway so he didn't do his bit to make a change. And yes, using electricty tro make hydrogen and then making it back into electricty to power a car (for example) is dumb.
Written in October 2009
"So basically lets go back to the stone age and throw our hands up beause even trying is useless?" Yes that is 100% correct everything we try and do to support 6.7 billion people on this rock is a waste of time, thinking positively is just showing how stupid 'we' are, you might as well be in steerage on the Titanic praying to a god to come and save you. "but I'm not going to tell my daughter in 20 years time" you are again 100% correct you and your daughter will not be around in 20 years so will not be telling her a thing. And if she is around in 20 years she will be thoroughly raped and wishing she wasn't. But I could be wrong, and our leaders (the treasonous bunch of bastards that they ALL are) could grow a brain and a backbone and start acting in our best interests ... ops now it is me praying to the gods )
Written in October 2009
Another thing to NB - in 20 years all oil/coal/gas based manufacturing will have ceased, so even if 'our' dams aren't silted up, there will be stuff all appliances to use the electricity, and unless you are living next door to Ben Moore dam your daughter will have zero chance of even running the old light bulb she might have found on the refuse dump she will be living on.
My only wish (and I am sure you will agree with me one day) is that you had worked it out before you stuffed up by having her in the first place, but alas no one was or is listening, so we face this dark future. Some what like the old Lunig cartoon, were he is holding a stick out into the DARK future with a child tied to the end.
I liken having children at this time in our down fall, to trench warfare IE the more children/troops we chuck over the trench wall the more might survive.
Unfortunately for your daughter and every other child alive now nature is not as forgiving as the machine gun sitting on the other side of the wall, nature doesn't take prisoners ;)
Written in October 2009
Nigel assuming your daughter is alive in 20 years (highly unlikely) and we are running everything on wind/hydro/magic energy, look around your house at all the crap we use electricity on (appliances). Over the next 20 years everyone's 'crap' will need replacing about 3 times.
This is an email I sent Catherin Ryan yesterday, it will be ignored as 'we' continue to paint the kids into corners...............
Dear Catherine
Regarding the interview you are doing this morning about wind power etc, several questions you might like to ask .....
What are we going to use the electricity we make on? ... as most appliances are manufactured using oil,coal or natural gas, both in the energy used in mining and conversion of minerals/resources and the actual components ie plastic made with oil or natural gas (which are not only destroying your children's environment with emissions, but are fast coming to the end of availability)
So lets pretend NZ becomes 100% wind powered (or whatever) and in 20 years the grid needs replacing or the turbines start to clap out , considering 'we' peaked in oil extraction in 2005 as admitted by Helen Clark (you 'the media' missed it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIp5h0Xtuc the chances of importing anything as valuable or energy/resources expensive ... in a world fast being deprived of energy and resources ... such as a turbine or several thousand km's of copper wire (some will have to be coated in a lot of plastic ie under Cook straight ) is going to be imposable . This event is going to (has started) in your children's life time. Most appliances in our homes now will be at the tip inside of 5 years, can the world/your children's environment stand replacing all the crap we call 'home comforts' in this time? PLUS build an energy system to run it? Your children's environment can't even absorb the pollution we have and continue to create just maintaining what we currently have, there is no way we can re manufacture everything to 'use' any electricity we might be 'creating' in a few years time, without killing the consumers that is.
Lets do something very brave and out of the usual (if not for yourself then at least for the kids) and introduce some real facts into the argument.
No matter how big we build our statues they are not going to sprout legs, and the sooner we face this the better your children's future will look. Ignoring this scraping noise, and heading down to steerage for a night of happy dreams of arriving in a new land, while you are up to your ankles in water will do nothing, especially as all the life rafts are full of borer and dry rot, oh and the captain (read government) just ordered the bulkhead doors welded shut.
Or maybe you could read some nice goodnight stories, and hope the children die in their sleep.
Regards
Robert Atack
www.oilcrash.com
Written in October 2009
well actually it will have a big afect and will impact on the environment
Written in October 2009
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