Govt ignores moaning emitters, proceeds with ETS

By Celsias team

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Posted on April 28, 2010. Listed in:

The government has defied a concerted attempt by business lobby groups to postpone the Emissions Trading Scheme.

Climate change issues minister Nick Smith says the scheme will commence on July 1, as planned.

The move is surprising given Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's move to dump plans for the Aussie version of the ETS.

"New Zealand needs to make a modest step forward on climate change. The scheme will provide incentives to invest in forestry, renewable energy and more efficient technology," says Smith.

Business groups--including Business NZ, the Chambers of Commerce, the NZ Roundtable, Road Transport Forum and the Petroleum Exploration and Production Association--petitioned the Prime Minister to drop or delay the scheme arguing that it's a tax that is out of step with Australia, the US and the rest of the our trading partners. In a letter, the nine lobby groups argued:

"We think that the current emissions trading scheme is too rigid, and may in fact frustrate the delivery of the outcomes sought from it. Therefore, we seek an assurance from you that in light of recent events the Government is taking stock of whether the current climate change policy settings which focus primarily on an emissions trading scheme remain appropriate for New Zealand."

As late as Thursday the Auckland Chamber of Commerce was promoting an anti-ETS petition to its members, prompting one Auckland business owner to complain that it was not representing members' interests.

Despite the pressure and the Aussie back-flip Smith remains defiant.

“Claims that New Zealand is the first in the world to have an ETS is incorrect. Three quarters of countries facing Kyoto commitments, 29 out of 38, already have an ETS.

“New Zealand’s scheme only provides for a half obligation. We’ve added a fixed price option of $25 a tonne and provided generous allocations for trade-exposed industries. National’s changes have more than halved the costs to businesses and households.

“It is also not correct that the ETS is a tax. This completely ignores the carbon credits flowing to forest owners. In it’s first year forest owners are budgeted to receive $1100 million in credits as compared to the $350 million in costs to businesses and households for emissions.

Smith says the dangers of failing to meet the July 1 deadline are obvious: “There would be real instability and uncertainty in deferring the emission trading scheme’s introduction at this late stage. I have been contacted by a number of businesses who are making substantial investments or have entered into significant contracts that would be severely disadvantaged by change."

Not sure what the ETS means for you? Here's an idiot's guide.

18 comments

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I'm always banging on about how people need to write to their MPs instead of just complaining to their mates, but I think it's just as important to give 'em the thumbs up when they do something right. So I just emailed Nick Smith to say "nice work" -- it felt good!

Written in April 2010

Now actually sounds like the best time to put the ETS on hold and to replace it immediately with a clean and simple carbon tax. Collected at the highest entry point to the economy, the mine shaft, port, etc, and used to offset reductions in income and corporate tax.
This would keep us in favour with our European customers, avoiding their potential future environmental taxes on imports.
The debate needs to stop being a single issue climate debate. It needs joined up thinking with consumerism (higher GST), environmental degredation (extraction & waste taxes), lower general taxation and a higher entry threshold before income taxes start (look after the needy) and longer term economic resilance (the next oil price peak).

Written in April 2010

"replace it immediately with a clean and simple carbon tax" - or we could live in reality, where it's already taken years to get this far with an ETS!

Written in April 2010

Mr Bloom

Annabel you are such a propaganda monkey!
You should look into reality one day (when you're not helping promote Carbon Trading).

You cannot give me one good thing that can come out of ETS except profiteering for those set up and ready to to exploit it.
Thumbs up Nick Smith's ass!
I suggest if you want to do something about carbon emissions there is a volcano with your name on it...Anna dow chemicals and algore bel. Go Big multinationals Annabels gotcha back.

Written in April 2010

Harold

..he says the quite small ETS charges that will apply to fuel and energy add up to significant and unsustainable sums and costs when calculated across the whole economy.
Annabel you do understand that the ETS will only benefit NZCX don't you?
You do understand that Big Oil are already heavily invested in it?
You do understand the extra energy costs in a recession will cost lives... don't you?

Written in April 2010

Annabel, a number of the original anti carbon tax business lobbyiests are now saying that they would rather have a C-tax than the ETS. This includes Federated Farmers who were so so active against the C-tax.
We already have examples in Europe where carbon credits have been wrongfully recycled and sold more than once - a corrupt money go-round with no associated reductions. Correct, it is not the way it is meant to happen, but it shows how easy it is to game the system and how human greed (and money and futures traders) will manipulate the system to their own short term advantage.
Those oil price futures traders that gamed the market up to US$147/barrel are being replicated in the NZCX promotion of the intention to have futures trading on the price of carbon.
Fabulous for the parasitic professions and ticket clipping advisors. Million dollar commissions into trading companies that should be going into direction reduction activites.
It's the difference between the theory of the market place and the pragmatic reality of what the inner weaknesses of humans actually deliver.

Written in April 2010

Steve Bonnici of Urgent has a good response to the Auckland Chamber's opposition to the ETS. The key point being that burden of Kyoto falls onto the taxpayer if there is no ETS to reward and punish the heavier emitters.

It's also instructive to see that the main opponents of the ETS are indeed large emitters, traditional businesses and their high paid lobbyists in Wellington. Who's arguing the case for the new, carbon-responsible businesses, like Steve's?

See Steve's response to the Chamber here: http://www.celsias.co.nz/article/rinse-urgent-vs-auckland-chamber-commerce/

Written in April 2010

At least I'm not a carbon zombie

The consumers would rather not have the new taxes and carbon trading(if they were fully informed).
Business does not fund all the extra cost hikes as consumers do.
The ETS punishes the middle earth consumers .

Written in April 2010

Curious

You didn't answer Steve's point; and do you have to insult your fellow site visitors by calling them zombies? Attacking the man not the argument is pretty zombiesh , if there is such a word.

Written in April 2010

Mr Broadband

You are not curious.Its a silly person that claims to be curious but doesn't know who the biggest investors,players and polluters in the Carbon trading frenzy are and how the ETS will not "punish" them.
Steve didn't ask me any points and if you bother to read the comment you are whinging about and falsly accusing me of Steve bashing you'll see you are wrong and I didn't say anything about him..
...annabel forced my comments by the shocking announcement that business is now altered forever going to forgo profits for their social responsibilities.
*Steve is going to <script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.celsias.co.nz/media/js/tiny_mce/themes/advanced/langs/en.js"></script>profit off the carbon trading and carbon zoombie land and will make a business out of carbon nonsense that you subscribe to.
There is no argument and there was no argument you clearly want the average taxpayer to be punished even more in a recession.
You insult your own intelligence claiming to have an argument and seeking an argument.

Written in April 2010

But at least I'm not a carbon zombie

Kyoto is not a burden to NZ and would never be.
( read the Crown balance sheet for 2009- we're good on that one) Maybe Steves curious friend with the nice hair piece Vincent should stop misinforming your readers.
The ETS and Carbon Zoombie movement is the thinking that will end in socializing the costs of investments in Carbon mania for big polluters and big investors.
And sheeple like Steve can cash in on it.I wish you guys were stupid and not just advocating punishing the poor and taking advantage of a created Carbon market.
Sustainable its not.
Our food is locally grown and consumed but the price for this will jump considerably with the ETS so is it that we need to be punished .

How can you even imagine that the ETS will punish big polluters they have their own companies and corporations set up just to exploit your feeling "the need to punish them" -they have one of the worlds top neuroeconomics team.
When they spin PR they reach china in 3 seconds flat.

Written in April 2010

Again, far too much narrow focused single issue discussion. No wonder we argue ourselves into corners and the country doesn't move forwards!
The debate needs to stop being a single issue climate debate and move on to balancing our societies behaviour in line with what our planet can provide us.
Reducing personal and business taxation incentivises work, savings and entrepreneurialism. Reducing air, water and ground pollution through behavioural change driven by price incentives keeps the planet providing for us longer.
How do we put a price on what used to be externalities?
Carbon taxes, landfill taxes, pollution taxes, fuel taxes, helath taxes (cigarettes, alcohol) et al.
If designed hollistically, ie big income tax offsets that work from the bottom up - eg first $20k tax free, these help the middle earth consumers. Spending goes to the products that do less harm as those products will be cheaper and those who can remove themselves from needless consumerism (retail therapy, feel good shopping, et al) will save a fortune from their lower income taxes.

Written in April 2010

Thanks for level-headed response Russell. It amazes me how climate change seems to excite so many passions - particularly inarticulate, rude and emotionally charged passions, as the above diatribe seems to demonstrate.

Written in April 2010

I always find the person who gets angriest is the one who is losing the argument, as a general rule. I recognize it, because I do it.

Written in April 2010

But at least I'm not a carbon zombie

And you're still just a greedy hairy sell out Vincent.

Written in April 2010

But at least I'm not a carbon zombie

No offense I'm also glad not a "profiteering off exploitation" liar like you.
Mr articulate smiling vacuous hairball.

Written in April 2010

Yeesh, we've got a real one here

Written in May 2010

Oh yeah, tantrums, that will definitely see us to a brighter future. Let's put carbon zombie in charge of the country. He seems, like, really balanced.

Written in May 2010

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